UPDATE: 11/03/2012: KAREN WRIGHT MAKES THE UK DAILY MAIL.. “Woman, 60, gets handcuffed at California city council meeting for speaking over time limit.”
YOUTUBE ON HANDCUFFED WOMAN BY INTERACTIVE HEALING (CLICK THIS LINK).
UPDATE: 11/02/2012: ACCORDING TO CITY ATTORNEY GREGORY PRIAMOS RESPONSE STATEMENT REGARDING THE ARREST OF PUBLIC SPEAKER KAREN WRIGHT WHEN ASKED TO RESPOND. HIS RESPONSE, WAS “ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILIGE”, MEANING THAT IN HIS PROFESSIONAL CAPACITY, HE IS REPRESENTING SOMEONE OTHER THATN HIMSELF. TECHNICALLY THIS WOULD BE THE MAYOR AND/OR COUNCIL. THE COUNCIL DENIES KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT THE CIRCUMSTANCES, THEREFORE, DID PRIAMOS’S ORDERS OR DIRECTIVES THEN CAME FROM THE MAYOR? WHAT A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE WHEN WE FIRST PRACTICE TO DECEIVE..
UPDATE: 11/01/2012: OFFICER SAHAGUN’S POLICE REPORT SUGGEST THAT WRIGHT WAS SINGLED OUT BY CITY ATTORNEY GREGORY PRIAMOS IF HE IN FACT ACTED ALONE. PRIAMOS’S PERFORMANCE EVALUATION UP ON NOVEMBER 13, 2012.. In this article, Councilman Gardner continues to amaze the intelligent community by standing by his rendition of events in the course of Ms. Wright. The officer took her elbow as if to guide her away from the lectern; he didn’t grab her or throw her to the floor, Gardner said. It appeared she sat down on the floor or lost her balance and fell. When will the lying end, is this what the constiuents “have to put up with?” Ooops, I believe I’ve heard this comment before..
Yes, Coucilman Gardner, that’s exactly what we saw, gently taking her elbow as to guide her away, possibly to help her find her way back to her seat, afterall she is disabled…then suddenly, she decided to sit on the floor, possibly just to relax a minute… Incidently, Gardner had front seats on the dais for this grand event, and he called it as seen it. In another statement in the PE, Gardner emphatically seems to say that Priamos would not over step his authority without the go ahead from the mayor or council. I could certainly interpret this statement as meaning, no move can be made by the City Attorney without the Council or Mayor. Could we now say that Primos was the messenger, and therefore council and/or mayor knew about it? What ever the truth may be, Gardner has either lost touch, or is truly telling the truth regarding what actually happened. In telling the truth, Council and/or Mayor knew….Is a recall in order for those involved?
UPDATE: 10/31/2012: EVENING: THE QUESTION OF GOING ROGUE..
In the Press Enterprise, Loveridge said he did not know whether Priamos had a conversation with the Officer Nick Sahagun. Maintaining decorum is the call of elected officials, not city staff! He evidently went on to say that “I need to talk to Greg to find out what was said or not said.” Is Mayor Luv stating Priamos made this decision on his own. After all, according to former employees, Priamos has been known to call Council members “idiot’s” within his circle. So how do they expect anyone to follow the rules of decorum when they do not follow the rules themselves, further, even the laws of the State of California. Four weeks ago, City Attorney Gregory Priamos conducted a two hour ethics training course to the Council. But was this really a “Bonehead Course”, as Dan Berstein coined. Maybe there is an emphasis in “How not to get caught”. At any rate it is quite a surprise to the community knowing Priamos’s track record.
Councilman Andy Melendrez said Tuesday that the officer’s statement surprised him. “I think it’s important that we as council members have clarity on who’s in charge, and my understanding has been that the mayor is in charge,” Melendrez said. “For the city attorney to play an active role on his own raises some concerns.”
This is quite disturbing because we currently have a City Attorney who has decided to give a directive of enforcement upon a citizen via a police officer. If in fact, the directive was solely his decision, and not one to involve the Mayor, would he be consider “rogue?”
A month ago we also had an incident whereby the City Manager Scott Barber made a decision to spend $2.5 million without counsel consent. Can we consider this “rogue?” In any case, we could certainly consider these two highly influential employees not following the set rule to the extent of violating them. If they in fact wish that constituents follow rules, they themselves should lead by example, of which is non-existent.
UPDATE: 10/31/2012: CITY ATTORNEY GREGORY PRIAMOS HIDING BEHIND ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE…IS HE CALLING OFFICER SAHAGUN A LIAR?
Well the City continues to overload it’s dirty laundry on the spin cycle. It started with the City’s response to the arrest, whereby they said that Ms. Karen Wright was cuffed and arrested for failing to obey the officer (Sahagun), not for going over the time limit, but Wright said the citation she got is for disrupting the meeting and that’s also what is stated in the police report by Officer Sahagun. One Concilman went on to state that this was a decision by the police officer, and no council member has the authority to interfere with a police officer, otherwise one could be severely punished. Well, the Press Enterprise states that according to Officer Sahagun’s police report, “Priamos requested that during future meetings, I should stop Subject 1 (Wright) from going too long past the three minute allotted time.” Did Priamos’s directive come from Mayor Loveridge? Or did it come solely from Priamos himself? It certainly wasn’t a decision Officer Nick Sahagun made. In the past, directives came from the Chair, or Mayor Pro Tem or Mayor. So why the move to question the integrity of a police officer? Why the move of the Council and Mayor to place the decision making authority upon the officer? Are we beginning to see a pattern of transparency in regards to how the Council and Mayor deal with issues? The real heat of this matter is now focused on the City Attorney, and all he can do is insult the community by hiding behind a questionable and remarkable claim of “attorney-client privilege” and become non-responsive. If he receives a salary paid for by taxpayer monies, he must know, we the taxpayer are his employer’s, and we are demanding answers. Has Priamos become a liability to the taxpayer? If it is founded that Priamos gave the directive, solely a decision made by himself, should he be fired? Ms. Wright believes the arrest was in retaliation against her in reference to criticizm made toward Councilman and Mayoral Candidate William “Rusty” Bailey, a candidate whom Mayor Loveridge endorses for the November 6, 2012 election.
CLICK THIS LINK TO VIEW FULL POLICE REPORT
According to the PE, City Attorney Gregory Priamos appreared surprised that the police report was had been made public. Though he had yet to read the report, he stated that Officer Sahagun’s description of the conversation was inaccurate. He declined to elaborate further, and cited attorney-client privilege. Attorney-Client Privilege? We understand he is Privileged, but who’s the Attorney and who’s the Client Gregory? Technically, the taxpayer is the client and he, Priamos, the attorney on record to protect us.
Maybe just a another nervous search for syllables, or it could have been a little gas from a bad burrito.. But is City Attorney Greg Priamos basically calling Officer Nick Sahagun a “liar?” Again, while the Council and Mayor were stating that Ms. Wright was arrested for not obeying an officer, according to Officer Sahagun, that was not so.
Did the directive come from the Mayor? Two days after the arrest, a new so called protocol was implemented. This would now give authority to the meeting chair, being either the Mayor Pro Tem or the Mayor himself to give the order to remove someone from the podium. But these rules have already been in place, was this a scuffle to spin? Back in 2006, an 89 year old woman, Marjorie Von Pohle, was removed from the podium by the directive of a Mayor Pro Tem to an RPD Officer for exceeding the 3 minute rule. Ms. Wright is scheduled to appear in Superior Court on December 27, 2012. Some rumors down the information pipeline is “Allred.”
CHANNEL 11 NEWS: “SHE MUST HAVE GOTTEN UNDER SOMEBODY’S SKIN!”
LA LATE STATES LOCALS ARE CALLING FOR THE RESIGNATION OF MAYOR RON LOVERIDGE.
It comes as a shock to TMC to see public speaking come to this. Other’s are telling me that I’m just naive, “this is Riverside”.. What a night, one disabled elderly female public speaker down and arrested, a second disabled elderly female skirted with the possibility of second taken down, then one Councilman’s Aide is seen by another female speaker with his middle finger across his face. This public speaker had just commented on the inappropriate behavior of this aide, especially toward females. Karen Wright, a 60 year old disabled public speaker icon, went over the three minute mark, approximately 16.8 seconds. Returning to her seat, she was met with one of Ronnie’s Bouncer’s. Midway from her seat, when she turned toward the council, she was pushed by the officer. When she arrived at her seat, she was getting some of her things, the officer inadvertently came from the right side, it appeared he wasn’t finished with her, and then grabbed her arm, turned it clockwise, whereby she could not nothing other than fall and and take her down to the floor, she fell seated, she then took her two hands to try to get up as she indicated, but was pushed by her right hand taken, then handcuffed. Not one, not two but three RPD officers surrounded her when she was on the floor. “Officer, you are making me naked.” she stated. A disgusting act of use of force, but Riverside has a track record of this, and a double standard when it comes to arrest. You might think this is Afghanistan or Iraq, unfortunately this is Riverside, specifically, regarding these current state of affairs, I must say, the City of Riverside.. So, if you live here, you msut exactly know what this blogger is talking about..
The first quickly came out of nowhere, as she turned after finishing her point after the three minute mark, she was met with officer, not regularly seen, who grabbed her and threw her to the floor as seen in the images. While the council just sat there stonefaced, as good leaders do. While one retired police officer, later stated to TMC who saw the video from home, “there was no reason for this officer to touch this person.” So again, why would this Mayor, this Mayor known as Mayor Ron Loveridge allow this? Later in City Council, Mayor Loveridge stated, “this is outrageous behavior”, when Councilman Chris Mac Arthur’s Council Aide, Chuck Condur, used a derrogatory finger symbol toward public speaker Dvonne Pitruzzello during council sessions. Why didn’t the Mayor have the gumption to say the same? Did he enjoy this? Did he allow this for personal reasons against Wright, being approximately his last appearance as Mayor on the dais? If there is a story, let’s hear it, this is not the normal standard behavior of a RPD officer at City Council.. Give us your side anonymously at thirtymilescorruption@hotmail.com
During this disgusting act of force, Councilwoman Nancy Hart, Councilman Steve Adams (also a former police officer), and Councilman and Mayoral Candidate William “Rusty” Bailey left their council seats and exited the dais. It appeared they themselve could not handle or stomach the scene. But non of these great leaders said, enough! This has to stop! A reflection of the leadership in Riverside. Well anyway, this is what happens if you talk a good 25 seconds after the 3 minute mark. You may find a couple of RPD on your back.. Being disabled that’s gotta hurt.. After this disruption by Ronnie’s Bouncers, she was later taken outside, released and issued a citation for “disruption of a public event.” The witnesses who were there were stating, “she was already returning to her seat!” RPD Officer you shouldn’t have done it, you’ve watched over the security of Council meetings before. This is behavior unlike you, were you briefed by Council, Mayor, City Execs, City Attorney or your superiors to do this, and target this specific public speaker? More information coming down the pipeline..
The Chief then called Ms. Wright a “a horrible person”, “your disrespectful” and “You hate the police!” At the time he also turned to then Mayoral Candidate Dvonne Pitruzzello and stated, “I don’t like her!” This all occurred in a public arena. Chief Diaz has yet to publicly apologize for, as Mayor Loveridger would say, “this is outrageous behavior!” Though Karen had the right to file an ethics complaint on this very issue, she chose at the time not do so. Chief Diaz should be thankful of this. Many are saying should we disband RPD? And just go with Riverside County Sheriff, would this make a difference?
CLICK THIS LINK TO VIEW FULL RPD USE OF FORCE DOCUMENT IMPLEMENTED BY THE CHIEF
CLICK THIS LINK TO WATCH YOUTUBE FROM ALICIA ROBINSON OF THE PRESS ENTERPRISE
Notice the empty seat behind above the left officer, Councilman and Mayoral Candidate Rusty Bailey left the dais, out of sight.. Some commenters on the Press Enterprise have begin coin Councilman and Mayoral Candidate… “Runaway Rusty.”
NEW NEWS ARTICLE FROM THE PE BY ALICIA ROBINSON: RIVERSIDE: SHOULD COUNCIL CRITIC HAVE BEEN HANDCUFFED?
CLICK THIS LINK TO WATCH ABOVE YOUTUBE
Wrong Councilman Davis, she picked her own self up according to the above video. Let’s not begin to spin the chain of events in order to defend you and the council bullies, that night, for not doing the right thing and stopping what occurred. You stated that the decision for this is defined by the RPD officer, and by “law” you cannot interfere with that. But now, new rules? “Police Officers will now be directed by the Mayor?” according to the the Press Enterprise. Now, elected officials can interfere with the actions of the Police Officers? But some Council members are saying, again, as an authority figures, and I disagree with that, that they cannot interfere with the judgement of a an RPD officer? You work for us, and we expect some aggregious behavior to be stopped by a police officer, but you are telling them you have no power. Our we living in a microcosm of a police state?
Again, Davis went on., “The officer again told her that she needs to be calm, take her seat and she ignored him. At that time, the officer directed her to return to her seat and Ms. Wright turned and began to advance towards where she had been sitting. Ms. Wright then uttered some choice words to the officer, which may have been directed towards the council. He then told her to step outside, since she was clearly isrupting the meeting and she chose to continue to ignore him. The officer then took her right arm at the elbow and told her that she needs to accompany him outside. Ms. Wright then jerked her arm away from the officer, stating something to the effect that she needed to get her things and for him not to touch her.” (Courtesy of The Truth Publication Online). Mr. Davis, you are different person this day, this is not what happened, I was sitting in the second rowe, and didn’t hear any of this. Are you saying you have better ears than me? Especially from the distance of the dais?
To the elected individuals on the dais, we’ve have not declared war..we only want transparency…
“At that time she also decided to sit down, on the floor, just outside the Dais entrance door and near her seat, with her hands not visible from my vantage point.”
Councilman Davis, you are wrong again, let me show how she ended up on the floor. You call us “crazy”, but at least we are not “liars.” This is how Ms. Wright decided to to sit down..of course, according to Councilman Paul Davis’s innacturate rendition of the Council events..
Now the twist to be handcuffed..RPD style..
“Many have asked why the members of the Mayor, Council, or city Staff, did not take any actions to stop the officer from his actions. As a matter of law, no person has the authority to interfere with the lawful order or actions of a Police Officer performing his duties. By doing so, you would be in violation and you will be held for Obstruction of Justice, and be subject to severe penalty.” (Courtesy of The Truth Publication Online). Let me see Mr. Davis, “Police Officers at City Council Meetings will be directed by the Mayor.”
Nope, sorry Davis, no one believes that. Many believe the mayor has always had that power, and this incident was allegedly and directly orchestrated by Mayor Ron Loveridge himself.
CLICK ON THIS LINK TO WATCH ABOVE YOUTUBE OF KAREN WRIGHT BEING CITED BY RPD OFFICER.
So what happens next, the Officer says we are done. So what happens with the legal process for Ms. Wright next? When the interrelationdships and interconnections with the City, City Attorney, the Riverside Judges, the District Attorney Paul Zellerbach, the Riverside Grand Jury, even unfortunately to the extent of the State of California Attorney General’s interrelationship? What will happen to this poor disabled 60 year old elderly woman? Well it’s already been decided if you live in Riverside. Some call it politics, some just have to accept it..
According to the PE, the City stated that she was not arrested for going over the 3 minute time limit but for “not obeying the officer,” but the actual citation she received was for “disrupting a meeting.” This is indicated by the above YouTube video, a video the City did not know existed till know. Well, the spinning continues, with ring leader, our Mayor, Mr. Spin Cycle himself.. Officer indicates to Ms. Wright in the video that once the three minutes are up she needed to bring her comments to a close, therefore it was all about disrupting the meeting after the 3 minute mark… Again, how will the City spin this next, or is their now planned retaliation by the City in more ways than none, for those who speak freely?
“All I was told was that you are given a certain amount of time to make statements to the council and she went over her time,” Lt. Guy Toussaint said. “She was asked to leave and she refused to do so.” Again wrong, Ms. Wright closed her comments and was on her way to her seat. But what the L.A. Times has right, is that this was all about the 3 minute time limit, which the City denies was a factor in her arrest. Many of the Councilpeople on the dais, who did nothing, and maintained they could not interfere with a police officer. So who’s in charge? Some on the dais, even said in some ways, that “she’d had it coming.” Other’s on the dais, who were criticized, said, “how come those citizens in the audience do nothing?” This is what we have, and you now begin to see the picture unfold before your eyes in relation to political conundrums withing the politics of the City of Riverside.
Again it didn’t stop there, another disabled individual on crutches …What is it with the City of Riverside and disabled females? What is it with leadership that doesn’t have the guts to lead and come out to say this is wrong. Is it easier say that the individuals are just “crazy?” Well Dvonne Pitruzzello said it best when she said, “I rather be called crazy, then to be a crook.” Well anyway this person below was on crutches and the same RPD officer started to walk down toward the podium again… Ren Holmstrum on crutches was subjected to a possible throwdown, regarding her issue of Riverside hospice, when she went over the three minute mark.. One of RPD officers was again on alert, walking down the isle again to take care of muni mafia business…
CLICK THIS LINK TO WATCH THE ABOVE YOUTUBE
Councilman and Mayoral Candidate William “Rusty” Bailey seen with his head down in the video. Last week Councilman and Mayoral Candidate William “Rusty” Bailey, came to the TMC site to inadvertently download photos of his Mayoral opponent and former Riverside Councilman, Ed Adkison, of course without TMC’s permission. These were then sent city wide in a campaign mailer. Now RPD wants TMC’s photos of the Council Debacle…Many in the community, seeing this display of police are now afraid, who can we depend on when we cannot trust our own community police force? Who do we call when we cannot call our own police force for help? Questions some community constituents are asking. This is the same behavior community constituents have been talking about to their city leaders for years…
Other’s are asking the question if this was a set up.. Most often, RPD or Ronnie’s Bouncers are cordial, escorting the “3 minute violator” back to their seat. This time, the Mayor meant business, it was a throw down… Was this orchestrated and planned by the mayor, the puller of strings? As one reporter stated on Channel 11 News on 10/25/2012 “She must have gotten under somebody’s skin.” This because Ms. Wright goes to each and every council meeting to comment on issues, and is therefore well known..
“I want to live in a society that people can voice unpopular opinions because I know as result of that a society grows and matures,” – Hugh Hefner
It didn’t stop there, after Public Speaker Dvonne Pitruzzello spoke regarding Councilman Chris Mac Arthur’s legislative aide, the allegation of Chuck Condor holding a knife to the throat of Bailey’s Council Aide, Mark Earley.
CLICK THIS LINK TO WATCH THE ABOVE YOUTUBE
From the current contact in the mainstream media, much is being said, many questions asked, pieces of the puzzle that just don’t make sense, but the questions of why none of the City Council leadership said nothing, allowed the activity to happen, and simply found it acceptable.. again actions speak louder than words..
CLICK THIS LINK TO WATCH THE ABOVE YOUTUBE
“We do this for our neighborhood, we take our time do this…you have spent us into the poorhouse..” -Self Appointed Citizen Auditor Vivian Moreno.
Responsibility? You are looking at them….Now Main Stream Media will know….Stossel what do you think about this? Thank you for asking…
ETHIC’S COMPLAINTS ARE NOW GOING VIRAL.. I’VE GOTTA SAY THIS IS EXHAUSTING, BUT JUST ANOTHER NORMAL DAY IN RIVER CITY..
UPDATE: 10/24/2012: JUST IN, TMC SOURCES ARE STATING THAT COUNCILMAN MIKE GARDNER ALLEGEDELY STATED, “KAREN WRIGHT DESERVED IT.” IF THIS IS TRUE, THIS MAY BE PART OF MIKE THAT MAY NOT BE LIKED..
According to the PE, Councilman Mike Gardner, who was on the dais with the council a few yards from the incident, said he doesn’t think the force was excessive. But if you like Mike, you would agree. Further Mike has also said, “Resisting arrest doesn’t end well..” Of course, none of this is true, but what is true are the feeling of Ward 1 Councilman Mike Gardner.
LOVERIDGE GET’S IT ALL WRONG.. Loveridge said that Wright started showing up at council meetings a few years ago and became an active civic participant with “eclectic” interests who spends a lot of time preparing for her remarks. This according to a LA Times article. Ms. Wright has been coming to City Council for over 10 years, why the spin Mayor to discredit her?
COUNCILMAN CHRIS MAC ARTHUR’S LEGISLATIVE AIDE CHUCK CONDOR SHOCKS COUNCIL MEETING!
The question to the council by Pitruzzello was, ” Why Condor wasn’t arrested, or a police report created by Bailey’s Aide, Mark Earley? We just don’t know..”Was this a concerted effort by City Hall to cover up the alleged altercation back in April 2012?” Regardless, it still didn’t stop there! As Former Mayoral Candidate Dvonne Pitruzzello walked toward the back of Council Chambers she was met from a distance, Councilman Chris Mac Arthur’s Aide, Chuck Condor, placing the “middle finger” in front of his face toward Pitruzzello. Mrs. Pitruzzello interrupted the City Council to let them know just what happened. The following pics below taken at the time of the interruption. The shock was written all over Councilwoman Nancy Hart’s face. Officer Nick, again, one of Ronnie”s Bouncer’s pounced on the situation and begin to walk over toward Pitruzzello. She let Officer Nick know, “that’s who you need to arrest!” Referring to Mac Arthur’s Council Aide Chuck Condur. This is the one time TMC agrees with Mayor Luv when he stated, “this is outrageous behavior.” When a Council Aide can continually get away with derrogatory remarks and alleged actions, this is outrageous behavior.. This Public Council Meeting could not have been hotter…
Again, one of TMC’s crack minimum wage photoshop experts created what Mrs. Pitruzzello saw.. Another act of defiance against women?
But let’s not forget this is Riverside, Chuck Condor, may just get a monetary raise and become an elected official one day.. But many are asking the question, why does Councilman Chris Mac Arthur allow a person such as Chuck, who appears to be a loose cannnon, on his team? Another liability? Could revealers of Condur’s behavior now be in danger of retaliation by the City of Riverside Power House? Will have to ask Councilman Chris Mac Arthur who has protected his aide through thick and thin regardless of his derrogatory behavior. The question is, does the Community concur with this type of legislative aid behavior?
UPDATE:10/25/2012: YESTERDAY, LOCAL CITIZEN TELLS OFF MAYOR LOVERIDGE AT DOWNTOWN “COFFEE BEAN” IN FRONT OF ONLOOKERS!
TMC PROUD TO INVITE 16 SMARTEST PEOPLE ON EARTH, TO FIND THEIR HOME IN THE MOST INTELLIGENT CITY, THE CITY OF RIVERSIDE.. NO CURRENT EMAIL RESPONSES AS OF YET!
COUNCILMAN PAUL DAVIS RESPONDS TO THE WRIGHT INCIDENT ON THE TRUTH PUBLICATION BLOG SITE. TMC WISHES EDITOR SALVADOR SANTANA OF THE TRUTH PUBLICATION GOOD HEALTH AND A SPEEDY RECOVERY. WE NEED YOU BACK AT THE PODIUM!
UPDATE: 10/26/2012: THE DEVELOPER OF THE HILTON TO SUE THE CITY OF RIVERSIDE.. WITHIN THE CONTRACT, IF THE DEVELOPER DEFAULTS, THE CITY IS NOW IN THE “HOTEL BUSINESS.” FOR THIS TRANSACTION, TWO FIRESTATIONS AND TWO LIBRARIES ARE USED AS COLLATERAL..
(HYATT PIC COURTESY OF TRIP ADVISOR)
IS THE CITY OF RIVERSIDE INVOLVED IN “EXTORTION” AS CLAIMED BY HYATT DEVELOPER?
According to the Press Enterprise, a story broke by City Council Gadlflies almost a year ago, no one listened, because they may have thought they were simply “crazy” made mention to the contract between the City of Riverside and the Developer Siavash Barmand. The other claim states that the city “extorted” money from MetroRiverside by improperly changing the obligations to build public improvements, and by delaying approval of designs for the improvements. The claims say the developer lost money because of the design approval delay and the convention center closure.
UPDATE:10/29/2012: A MONTAGE OF COMMENTERS COMMENTING ON THIS ISSUE REGARDING MS. KAREN WRIGHT FROM THE PE BEFORE THEY ARE DELETED…POSSIBLY BY SOME DIRECTIVE BY A CITY ELECT OR THE CHIEF OF POLICE HIMSELF…
Remember folks, you have to be in a bad mood as a citizen when you come to City Council Meetings when you know that you the taxpayer, are $4 billion in debt, and that you the taxpayer are responsible for it as a result of the elected officials who voted on these issues.
This is ridiculous. Going over the time limit is not a crime. I’m not a fan of Karen’s, but she had finished talking and was walking away from the podium. Someone has it in for her, and that’s not right. Terrible, terrible showing by the police, the mayor, and the council. -Kaptalism, commenter on the PE
This makes me SICK! Sooooo unjustified! This isn’t the last we have heard of this, believe it! A lawsuit will be forthcoming for SURE! So shameful! -Nettie Nettie Bobettie, commenter on the PE
Unbelievable~!!! They should be ashamed of themselves~!!!! – Alice Wersky Naranjo, commenter on the PE
AND THIS MORNINGWE ARE ON FOX NEWS. AREN’T WE GREAT? –Ron Rose, commenter on the PE
This is how it works at Casa Loveridge. You get three minutes to speak. If you’re kissing his butt, make it four and you can bring about 20 other people up to keep the love flowing longer.
If you’re a guy criticizing, he starts to cut in and the hand goes up at about 2:45 into your comment and its purpose is to try to distract you into disagreeing with him over your time is up until it’s up and you don’t talk about your original topic.
If you’re a woman, alas the infamous hand goes up at about 2:30. Bring a timer and time the speakers and the Loveridge hand wave yourself a couple times. I’ve done it myself. Very illuminating. The county board of supervisors have used the same tactics for years and rumor has it he wants Tavaglione’s seat if that guy wins the congressional race. So maybe he’s practicing for the bigger stage? If he doesn’t like what you’re saying, apparently…well there’s that too. – Mary Shelton, commenter on the PE.
The cop was not timing her I would bet. He was instructed to do as he did when the time-up signal was given. Minor petty politicians begin to think they are Lords. -James Overturf, commenter on the PE.
Too bad we don’t limit politicians to three minutes of speaking. – BJ Clinton, commenter on the PE.
Although I haven’t lived in Riverside since my Divorce in 2003, I still follow the news. Here are my thoughts:Everyone has a right to voice their opinion in a Public Forum. Time limits are made to provide equal time for all and show some dignity and respect for the Counsel and “Elected Officials” of the Counsel during such meetings. Three (3) minutes may not be enough for some however, if you come prepared to make your point clear and brief, three (3) is “normally” plenty of time. Handcuffing anyone with a strong opinion should not be the norm. This lady was no threat to the counsel or anyone else. The lady only spoke too long. Handcuffs would not have been my first choice to resolve the issue. BAD CALL… Counsel BAD CALL… Riverside Cops -Roy Robinson, commenter on the PE.
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TMC: Thirty Miles of Corruption 
So please tell us how you propose to limit the time people are allowed to speak? I do not go to city council meetings, and I know others also do not go because of the disruption caused by the same people over and over again. This defeats the purpose of participatory government. We will never get a meeting over with if people just stand and talk endlessly. There has to be a limit.
If you cannot make your point in 3 minutes, you need to spend some time preparing your comments so that they can be delivered within the 3 minute limit. Rambling on and on is a waste of everyone’s time.
Why do you not take people to task for disrupting the meetings with their inane and endless chatter? Going to a City council meeting for the purpose of disruption, and insulting the council members, is not productive. I don’t think I can approve of throwing disabled women to the floor to handcuff them though. Escorting them out of the room would have been enough. But you have to realize that sooner or later you are going to tick people off if you just will NOT shut up! Some people have bad manners.
The fact is she was already leaving the podium. There was no reason for her to be approached or even escorted out. Yes, she does ramble and push the limits of time, but she does eventually stop, as she did last night.
This was very poor form by the City of Riverside. Maybe Karen wouldn’t go on as long if the City restored the power of citizens to pull items from the Consent Calendar. Mike Gardner once said in his campaign that it was our right and his duty to restore that ability, but he has done absolutely nothing to make it happen.
In every other city meeting, the public can pull items from the Consent Calendar except for the City Council meeting.
I think every city council candidate who ever ran against an incumbent promised to bring back the consent calendar but none has moved a finger to try that. Even the incumbent who made the motion for barring people from doing it reinvented history during his reelection bid denying he’d done this. It must be a popular item because so many candidates ran their campaigns stumping it but how quickly they forget. Why? Because when they get elected they forget all of what they promise the little people and interestingly enough, don’t have failing memory when it comes to what they promised developers and the city’s movers and shakers.
I’m appalled mostly at the ones who left the dais including mayoral candidate Rusty Bailey who kind of just showed his leadership skills when he did that. If you’re going to be part of the handcuffing and detention of one of your critics then don’t go fleeing for the nearest exit. But Loveridge did what some of the former city council members used to do, using the police as bouncers to simply remove speakers that they don’t like. The three minute rule is a red herring because how many times has Loveridge allowed people who flatter him or the council speak when the red light’s blinking? He simply had it done because he didn’t like her, end of story.
Like most women who criticized him I too get him trying to cut me off at about 2:30 and trying to distract me from my topic so we can spend my last 30 seconds arguing about how much time I hav left. He learned that from the County Board of Supervisors by the way. That’s how they run their public comment for years.
We have a city council that has far worse going on during its watch than disturbing public meetings. Money being spent without any accounting, bonds used differently than what their holders were promised and land swaps that were intended to raise the “leases” of both the RPD and RPU headquarters so that the city could help its favorite law firm (BB&K) and its favorite developer. A city attorney who might have illegally pension spiked a former employee’s job position and a city management team who engaged in what others called illegal behavior with guns, badges and all that. The city council didn’t invest nearly as much concern and enforcement of any kinds dealing with what might have been greater crimes or at the least, highly unethical conduct. So when someone like Gardner allegedly says someone deserves to have their face on the floor and handcuffs put behind them, it just doesn’t have much credibility because Gardner’s done nothing to even answer questions or seek answers on a quadruple land swap even the DA called “highly suspicious” let alone everything else.
That’s the crisis here is the elected leadership as mediocre as it’s turned out to be and I’ve seen much better in my time. I don’t see it as much a police issue (because I wouldn’t be surprised if once again the city couldn’t pay cops enough to take these shifts) as a complete failure by Loveridge to lead from the dais and the city council to connect to those constituents who don’t pay into their campaigns or speak up only to flatter them. They rely on the police to pull out their handcuffs because they are completely ill equipped and unmotivated to remember that they don’t just represent those who line their pockets or give them subsidized tickets to the Fox. they represent everyone. I don’t see anywhere in the job description or the charter where it says, “represent only those who kiss your ass on a regular basis.” Hopefully Loveridge can pull out that section at the next meeting before he does his best Queen of Hearts rendition.
Though Diaz’ publicly mouthing off at Karen saying how horrible she was, how horrible I guess uppity women are in general to him…if only he were as interested in what his own management was doing as he was in arresting new paper bandits and castigating people he just doesn’t like. Really, what his own upper management is doing should be more than enough to keep him busy. But anyway, once again the city government put its poor leadership and frankly poor people skills on display. Not a leader in the bunch, highly disappointing.
I have wonder how you would feel if you were a public servant trying to do a good job, probably not a perfect job, because nobody is perfect, and at each and every council meeting you hear comments from the same people who always have only negative things to say. You are accused of all sorts of nefarious dealings, and told you aren’t fit for your job. But somehow you manage to get elected, or re-elected. But the nay-sayers will have none of you doing the best job you can. No, they just have to say something about each and every item, and what they mostly say is that you don’t know what you are doing. You must be crooked. You don’t have the best interests of your constituents at heart. Shame on you. You are a bad person. Etc. ad nauseum.
If you have something intelligent to say, you will be listened to. If you come only to whine and complain, you will probably not get a good reception. Nobody likes a whiner.
Do you think anyone will take you seriously when you are always negative? Certainly not! People just roll their eyes and let out a sigh. “Here we go again.”
If you don’t have something intelligent to say, your words will go in one ear and out the other. But if you are talking only because you are in love with the sound of your own voice, then it doesn’t matter whether anyone listens, because you are actually talking to yourself. Some folks need to take a look in the mirror.
I’d say if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Politics isn’t for the weak of heart nor is it for the thin skinned. It’s a tough and it’s a thankless job but if you keep your ego out of it, it’s a very rewarding one because you can make a difference. And the true test of a public servant is really how they treat their critics not their fan clubs. If you view it as being a public servant and not someone who needs ego stroking all the time or perks like subsidized tickets to the city’s “in the red” theater, it’s one you can return to each day. If one gadfly has them so unhinged, what are they doing in office? Three of them fleeing the room, was that really necessary?
I’m reading emails from some of my “critics” while serving an elected position and I enjoy it. Some good ideas come out of there, and frankly sometimes the emperor needs to hear he’s “naked” rather than how lovely his non-existent clothes are. What it’s not is a job for shrinking violets because you have to make really difficult decisions and live with them…knowing not everyone’s going to like all of them but allowing people a genuine opportunity to provide feedback, Not giving some people more than three minutes and then having the police grab someone who’s left the podium after speaking maybe 10 seconds past three minutes? Like I said, the difference in “breaking” the three minute rule for Mayor Loveridge is whether he likes what you’re saying or not. Our police officers undergo a lot of training, an extensive hiring process and POST qualifying even while working. It’s for something much more important than appeasing Loveridge’s ego I think.
The elected officials chew each other up on the dais more than the public chews them up. Or haven’t you been to council meetings lately? Sometimes you want to hand council members some nerf sticks or paint ball guns or swords so they can just duke out their aggressions that they’ve shown lately that way. But the problem is, the city council doesn’t honor the same code of conduct regulating their own behavior towards each other or the public that they enforce against the public.
I’ve done elected office a smaller scale, know what it’s like to be harshly criticized, know what it’s like to have to deal with complaints. I think the three electeds who fled the room should have stayed. At least if you order police to do it or you believe they’re doing it on your behalf, don’t high tail it into the next room like a coward. Be a man or a woman and a leader and sit there and watch it. If you can’t stand to look at what, then don’t mandate it as policy or take your marbles and go home.
I was at a meeting and spoke, and oops went over three minutes and I thanked the chair of the meeting for letting me finish my thought. Not taking drastic action.
I do agree that some people need to take a look at themselves in the mirror. It’s a useful exercise but I don’t think some of our politicians have done that in a while. It’s interesting watching how city council members and mayors can dictate police officer behavior outside their chain of command. If city officials can do that in governmental meetings is it really a stretch that there’s so many allegations floating around that council members have involved themselves in other aspects of the RPD including the promotional process?
WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH? In my opinion….when these politicians are held accountable and it has merit…they find ways to use people as an example, which in my book is no better than a bully! Karen Wright could have just been escorted out and cited! It is clear that the present mayor (lower case m) doesn’t care because he is on his way out! Thank God! To think he wanted his name on the building where this took place! If any politician thinks this will detour holding you accountable think again!!!! I have been holding the Board of Supervisors and the City of Riverside accountable and…..I have had my tire slashed, threaten at my door, bullied, harassed and verbally abused by a Manager/County Employee at a Senior Center, sued for slander even though I was protect under Civil Code Section 47 (yes, I won on appeal) and 12 perpetrators to sully my reputation and try and make my life difficult. Well, I am happy to say I am still holding them accountable and Sacramento is listening and the days are numbered for these so called politicians!!!!! Activist and Watchdog for Riverside!!
What the hell happened to freedom of speech? It is alive and well in the City of Riverside. I have gone to city council meetings, filled out a card, spoken, and been well received. The problems I spoke about have been dealt with in an orderly manner. I organized my thoughts before speaking and did not exceed the time limit. There is no reason that you cannot express one thought in 3 minutes. You cannot solve all the city’s problems in 3 minutes. But a few of our residents, who are not elected, but wannabes, want to make noise about EVERYTHING, and it is just noise, not useful input. Listen to them sometime and see if they present any reasonable alternatives. All I hear is, “What you have done is wrong.” And they feel a need to do this on most every issue that comes up, and throw in a, “Me too!” comment for another 3 minutes after a diatribe from another nay-sayer.
There is an old saying: “Lead or follow. If you can’t do either, stay out of the way.”
Now, if you get up and speak 6 different times for 3 minutes, you have used up 18 minutes. If only 4 people do this it amounts to 72 minutes, an hour and 12 minutes. This is pretty much dead time when no useful business can be conducted. No wonder council meetings take so long.
Why do you feel that you are so important that you need to disrupt public business for that time? Oh! That’s right! You are looking after my interests. I am so retarded that I cannot look after my own interests. So you will take care of me. Hey! I didn’t vote for you. You are self appointed. I have elected officials whom I trust to do this for me. Obviously you do not trust them, but that speaks about you, not about them. You need to solve your problems at the ballot box.
The whiners remind me of people who get traffic tickets and then curse the police. “Those lousy cops are picking on me!” Why can no one take responsibility for their own actions? It is always somebody else’s fault.
Heads up. Councilman Davis responded to Sal Santana’s “The Truth” on line about the incident, but what he describes isn’t what is on the videotape. Is he conflating what happened on agenda item #14 with what had happened in the afternoon?
Also the mayor’s spouting to every media that discretionary power is being transferred from the police to the “chair” of the mayor. If it’s not broke, why fix it?
Davis confused me. The only thing I remember seeing with him on the tape is that he appears to have put his face in his hands. If he’s covering his eyes with his hands, how can he see anything?
The following is what I have e-mailed to the Council of Riverside for the Karin Wright incident….
WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH?
FIRST….YOUR MAYOR NEEDS TO RETIRE NOW!
SECOND….I HAVE IT ON VERY “GOOD AUTHORITY” THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT WAS DOING AS THEY WERE INSTRUCTED TO DO BY COUNCIL! THE BUCK STOPS WITH YOU!
THIRD….IF YOU ARE GOING TO HOLD THE THREE MINUTE RULE…..THEN MAKE IT APPLY TO EVERYONE AND NOT JUST A SELECTED FEW!
FOURTH….EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT HAS MERIT IN EXPOSING TRUTHS AND HOLDING THE CITY OF RIVERSIDE AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ACCOUNTABLE….HAVE BEEN VICTIMS OF RETELIATION! I HAVE BEEN ONE OF THEM!
FIFTH….WHEN LAW ENFORCEMENT HANDCUFFS A PERSON….PROTCOL IS TO TAKE THEM TO JAIL….BOOK THEM….CITED THEM….THEN RELEASE OR JAIL THEM!
IF THEY CANNOT BE TAKEN TO STATION IMMEDIATELY….THEY ARE PUT IN THE BACK SEAT OF A POLICE CAR UNTIL THEY CAN BE TRANSPORTED TO THE STATION!
TIME TO EAT CROW ON THIS ONE GUYS! SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!
REBECCA LUDWIG
I went to the 7th floor of city hall and paid $2 for a DVD copy of the meeting in question. I have watched it several times. I would strongly suggest that you all do the same. You cannot study this and still say that the police acted improperly. It appears that when the officer took her arm, Karen Wright swung her arm, possibly inadvertently, at the officer and almost struck him in the face. It is also clear that she was not thrown to the floor. She appears to have sat down in an attempt to avoid being shown out. I did not see anything suggesting that she was maltreated in any way.
She brought this on herself, and now the ranters and ravers want to cry about freedom of speech. Nobody is saying she doesn’t have the right to run her mouth, but she cannot do it incessantly.
I saw a distinct difference in her behavior when she returned to the dias more than once after the arrest. This testifies to the fact that her freedom of speech has not been restricted. I hope she has learned something from this, but I really doubt it. She sees herself as a victim and now her victimhood has been reinforced, as has that of her followers. They are all victims, and they have found a public forum in which to snivel. They call themselves “Activists,” which in reality means, “I don’t have a life, so I am trying to get one by behaving obnoxiously.” Negative attention is better than no attention at all. “I am somebody.”
I guess I don’t understand the rules of engagement for speaking at the council meetings. I thought you had to fill out a card and submit it before the meeting began. And this entitled you to speak once on one subject. Karen Wright and others return to the dias repeatedly for the purpose of rebuttal. There doesn’t seem to be any limit to their freedom of speech, just a limit on the time. Gadflys got rights. The people who are whining about their freedom of speech being restricted are either lying or being disingenuous. “Oh, poor me! The world is against me.” The other 99% of us don’t have that problem. But nobody can see himself as others see him.
I am getting my copy today, but I was there. We also have photos and videos that have not been posted yet! I don’t care what way u want to spin this the Mayor was wrong. If you feel these women just rant and rave about nothing then you need to bend over and give the city your pay or pension check. They need to travel and go out to eat on your dime Quote Steve Adams, “I gotta eat”. Oh and by the way if you don’t recieve that City Pension Check some day SOON don’t complain!
I’m getting my copy too. It will be the sixth video I’ve seen. So together I think they’ll put together a larger portrait than just the $2 DVD. And guess what, the others didn’t cost me any money!
Jim Henderson, I’m really sorry that you have to go on this diatribe of yours labeling people victims and whiners and all that, making it personal. I don’t know anything about you so I wouldn’t presume to make judgements about you that are highly personalized rather than the subject at hand. I can say that I disagree with some of your comments without making it personal because of the fact that I don’t know anything about you.
I’ll stick to talking about issues and won’t label anybody victims, whiners, whatever because I think most people read personalized content like that and think, wow that person is somewhat desperate. You just seem smarter than that Jim which I’m sure that you are.
The thing is Jim, if the city council really believed it acted in the right, why are they changing the policy now? Why fix what’s not broken? If they believe that the officer acted within correct use of his police powers and discretion, why are they talking that power away from the police department and putting it in the hands of the “chair” of the meeting? I’ve asked seven council members this question and got some candid, rather interesting responses in return from some but none answer this one question. The first reaction of that change is going to naturally be that they believed the officer was wrong. Does that make the officer wrong? No, not based on that but the fact is, they believe he was wrong or they’d keep the policy the same and/or they were so dismayed at looking bad on news media across the country that they threw the officers under the bus to save their own skins by saying they would change the policy. It wouldn’t be the first time if you know the history of how mayors and mayor pro tems have handed people who exceed the three minute rule.
I’m asking for the $2 DVD of the 82 year old woman who spoke on her broken pipe in a very calm and quiet fashion. Yet the mayor pro tem ordered police to physically grab her and remove her from the podium. What could have been prevented by referring her to public works to address her concerns about a water pipe owned by the city that flooded her property instead turned into one embarrassed officer pulling her away and taking her outside.
82 years old, welcome to Riverside, now go home. Who knows, maybe she feels like you do that people who talk too long, too much or too loud should be arrested, handcuffed, who knows what she believes? I do know what I saw on the video of her situation better than I know her.
If the city’s destroyed the copy then I do believe this one might be on YouTube still.
I actually think the officers would show more discretion at expelling people than anyone on that dais. Now they have power to have officers expel people just because they don’t like them. They say it’s about exceeding three minutes. If you’ve been to the meetings Jim, you know well that the mayor gives people he likes or that are his buds or his donors more time to speak than three minutes. That’s constitutionally a violation of the 1st and 14th Amendment. Time, place and manner restrictions can’t be based on the content of the speaker outside threats and obscenity. Ultimately that’s where the city will get into trouble because it has a city attorney who only tells them what they want to hear.
Based on history, people have been expelled for nothing basically but saying what the council doesn’t like. And in each case the council was behind the expulsion. This council so thin skinned and takes so much so personally that it’s going to be interesting keeping track under the new policy which mayor or mayor pro tem winds up using it to expel the most people they don’t like and how long once again it takes (as it did several years ago) police officers to stop signing up for these shifts.
Dear FBM, whatever that means:
First of all, my name is Jim Thompson, not Jim Henderson. Please notice that I am man enough to put my name to anything I write. I say what I mean, and I mean what I say, and I don’t hide behind a pseudonym.
I served my country to give people the right to speak their mind. I wouldn’t deny anyone their rights as an american citizen. But I do not suffer fools gladly. Sorry about that.
I will say no more on this citizen/ police/ council problem. It is a waste of time. No one will change their mind about anything anyway.
I’m sorry you feel it’s a waste of time Jim. I didn’t know you were to change minds. I’m not here to do that. I assume people can make up their own minds and I’m woman enough to just try to discuss issues rather than call people victims and whiners.
Nice talking to you. I’m sure we’ll bump into each other again…Jim.
Raise your hand if you are shocked, shocked that Priamos is somehow involved. That guy has cost the City so much money with his poor legal advice. It is time for him to go. Councilman Gardner, be a leader for once and demand that Priamos be fired.
He used to be a medical claims attorney before he started working for the city. He either played the city council and mayor for fools or liars. Soon it’ll be clear which.
Well as the last meeting for the setting Mayor the politics continues as Karen’s arrest went National. The city says move on but facts don’t change as the Media in States all over showed Karen being handcuffed for speaking over 3 mins. and even the NY policer kneeling down to give a homeless man socks/boots. Yes thanks to the corrupt enter circle doing their best to help their friend Bailey the City of Riverside has a low image. What more damage will be done as we have an incoming Mayor who is carrying charges and ethic investiation. Well have a City Attorney who dodged his acts for years and even blaming other while now he got caught. I dont expect good thinks for some elected officials and really nothing from the incoming Mayor who looks to holding two jobs and two full time pay checks if possible. I remember 1973 seeing VP Spiro Agnew resign for corruption and the next year the US President resigned. Time in office isn’t long when you committ crimes that catch up with you. Maybe the voters will get it right the next election.
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